Thursday, June 14, 2007

On Free Will

Something to ponder on, taken from 'Waking Life'. I know its a bit long, but tis totally worth the time. From mister dodo, i would expect a discussion on this...

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In a way, in our contemporary world view, it's easy to think that science has come to take the place of god. But some philosophical problems remain as troubling as ever. Take the problem of free will. This problem has been around for a long time, since before Aristotle in 350 B.C. St. Augustin, St. Thomas Aquinas, these guys all worried about how we can be free if god already knows in advance everything we're going to do. Nowadays, we know that the world operates according to some fundamental physical laws, and these laws govern the behavior of every object in the world. These laws, because they are so trustworthy, they enable incredible technological achievements. But look at yourself. We're just physical systems too, right? We're just complex arrangements of carbon molecules. We're mostly water. And our behavior isn't going to be an exception to these basic physical laws. So it starts to look like whether it's god setting things up in advance, and knowing everything you're going to do, or whether it's these basic physical laws governing everything, there's not a lot of room left for freedom.

So you might try to just ignore the question, ignore the mystery of free will, and say, oh well, it's just an historical anecdote, it's sophomoric, it's a question with no answer, just forget about it. But the question keeps staring you in the face. Think about individuality for example. Who you are is mostly a matter of the free choices that you make. Or take responsibility. You can only be held responsible, you can only be found guilty, or you can only be admired and respected for things you did of your own free will. So the question keeps coming back. And we don't really have a solution to it. It starts to look like all our decisions are really just a charade.

Think about how it happens. There's some electrical activity in your brain, your neurons fire, they send a signal down into your nervous system, it passes along down into your muscle fibers, they twitch, you might reach out your arm. It looks like it's a free action on your part, but every part of that process is actually governed by physical laws, chemical laws, electrical laws, and so on.

So now it starts to look like the big bang set up the initial conditions, and the whole rest of human history, and even before, is really just the playing out of subatomic particles according to these basic fundamental physical laws. We think we're special. We think we have some kind of special dignity, but that now comes under threat. That's really challenged by this picture.

So you might be saying, well, wait a minute. What about quantum mechanics? I know enough contemporary physical theory to know it's not really like that. It's really a probabilistic theory. There's room. It's loose. It's not deterministic. And that's going to enable us to understand free will. But if you look at the detail, it's not really going to help because what happens is you have some very small quantum particles, and their behavior is apparently a bit random, they sort of swerve, their behavior is absurd in the sense that its unpredictable, and we can't understand it based on anything that came before. It just does something out of the blue according to a probabilistic framework. But is that going to help with freedom? I mean, should our freedom be just a matter of probabilities, just some random swerving in a chaotic system? That starts to seem like it's worse. I'd rather be a gear in a big deterministic physical machine than just some random swerving.

So we can't just ignore the problem. We have to find room in our contemporary world view for persons with all that that entails. Not just bodies, but persons. That means trying to solve the problem of freedom, finding room for choice and responsibility, and trying to understand individuality.

6 comments:

Fiery Shadow said...

Of course all you humans are just doing what has been laid out for you... the concept of free will is just a joke I played on you...

Dhara said...

havn't you noticed idiot? science replaced you long back. you're getting senile, it's all there in the first para.

Fiery Shadow said...

thats what you think...
who so you think controls the laws of physics?? Is it really as straight forward as it looks? You still have a long way to go... Precisely 4 centuries 38 years and 87 days more when you shall understand my exixtance

Dhara said...

sir, you're talking about ME. remember my real role? you old hat, you really are getting demented from all those billions of years of just enjoying the show...

and not to mention, blip. so shut up here.

Fiery Shadow said...

We are all made up of electrons at the basic level, so going by the law of quantum physics you can never tell for sure the exact dynamics of the electron. The very electron that our mind is made up of so that electrical activity is infact controlled by something more than just laws of physics... Of course it is probabilistic but that only tell us that we will not develop super powers and do extraordinary things. but within that probability we are free to do anything

Fiery Shadow said...

And that my friend is free will